Chris Benoit: Wrestling's Canadian Killer

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Hey, Hey,

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Scarlett autos.

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We are back and I am looking forward to this episode in particular, because

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number one, I get to take a little break and sit back and listen to Brittany.

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Tell me a story, which is so exciting right now.

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And the reason I'm excited about it is because she's, she

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is excited about the story.

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So, um, without further ado here is Brittany Sherman talking

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to me about the black Dahlia.

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Well, I told you I was going to throw you a

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little bit of surprise and, um,

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I guess I'll say without further ado, I am not going to cover

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the black doll yet tonight.

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What I know, I know.

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And this was a last minute decision, like four hours ago.

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I decided to change it up and.

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Here's why I decided to change it because you believe you did that.

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I, I know.

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So the black doll yet is a topic that has fascinated me for years when we started

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doing this podcast, I, that was one of the first topics I wanted to cover.

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And as I really started investigating and learning about the black Dalia, uh,

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what I found is that the information out there is pretty straight forward.

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Every article I read, every podcast I listened to about it, it all

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had the same information and none of it was new information from

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what's been around there forever.

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And the most interesting information that is out there is

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all subjective, conjecture about.

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Who could be responsible for those killings.

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And there's a lot of really interesting, fascinating narrative conversations

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about the occult about devil worship about, uh, really, I don't see,

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I don't, I don't know much about the black Dahlia, so I was

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so looking forward to you telling me

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no, but here's the issue that I have with it.

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All of that is just like potentially made up.

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Like there's no actual real information.

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Like there's, it's not factual.

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And there's another reason why I wanted to switch it out because

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this isn't factual information.

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And a lot of it could be hyperbole.

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Maybe it's factual.

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If it is, it's like the most unbelievable story in the world.

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And it, at some point maybe I will get to it, but there's another reason

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I wanted, I decided to change it up because I wasn't super confident because

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the stories were just kind of all over.

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And there wasn't real hard evidence to support it.

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I wanted to talk about a topic that I felt like I knew just about

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everything there is to know about it.

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Oh.

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And I felt like I'm not going to go off book per se, but something that I feel

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like I can talk about without needing to, to take notes and read much about it.

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So the topic I am actually going to cover tonight is the Crispin

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wad, double murder suicide.

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What the

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fuck is that?

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I

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can't believe you threw me for a loop.

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I'm so excited.

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I'm so excited because now I really don't have to say anything.

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So

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I almost, I almost texted you earlier to tell you, I,

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I changed my mind, but I thought, no, I want to get your raw reaction.

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And I'm so glad you

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didn't.

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I'm so glad

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you didn't.

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That's awesome.

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Uh, so, okay.

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So black Dalia depths, I think, well, black Dahlia side, but that's a topic

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I think I'm going to still continue to go to, I'm going to learn more about,

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because it is interesting, but because there's so much like, well, maybe it's

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this, or maybe it's that, or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that, or who knows.

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Maybe it's this completely different thing or until I can feel like I get

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like some real narrowing down, this is more of the likely situation.

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That's kind of why I wanted to put it off to the side.

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Okay.

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So we're still going to talk about the black Dahlia in the future, but

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not right now.

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Exactly, exactly.

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Fair enough.

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Let's go

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roll with it.

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All right.

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So, um, black delegate aside, uh, we are talking about the.

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Double murder, suicide.

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Uh, Nancy, Daniel, and Chris Benwah.

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That took place between June 22nd and June 24th, 2007.

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And based on your response, I think, you know what we're talking about?

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I is

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this, the wrestling guy is the wrestling guy.

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Oh my God.

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You totally threw me for a loop.

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I don't know anything about this.

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So you are going to

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have to tell me this.

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All right.

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Well, feel free to jump in with questions, but, um, so w you know,

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I should probably take a deep breath here because we're, we're kind of being

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lighthearted and laughing and joking.

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Uh, this is, uh, this is an extremely tragic story.

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And, uh, this is one that as, as I said, at the top, I know very, very well.

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And I feel comfortable with not to say that I know everything about it,

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but I want to take you through not just the crimes, but really the key

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points and life of Chris and Nancy.

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Benwah leading up to the fateful weekend in June of 2007.

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So Chris Ben wall is a Canadian, was a Canadian professional wrestler.

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Uh, he was considered a, uh, he was, he was a stellar standout,

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one of the best in the world.

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He was a world champion, professional wrestler, uh, air quotes.

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If you want with world champion, uh, he, he wrestled all over

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the world from Mexico to Japan.

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Canada.

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And of course in the United States, he got his start in the eighties in

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stampede wrestling, which is known for, uh, wrestling fans out there.

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And even those who might not be wrestling fans, uh, it was run

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by Stu Hart, the father of Bret, the Hitman Hart and Owen Hart.

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And it's where the British bulldogs came from.

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And B it was the, uh, the premier wrestling territory in Canada.

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And from his roots in Canada, he then went to, uh, wrestle in Mexico

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where he teamed with who would become his best friend, Eddie Guerrero.

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Uh, Eddie Guerrero was a champion Lucia Liberi wrestler.

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Uh, he comes from a long line of, uh, Lucia Libris wrestlers,

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the Guerrero family, his.

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Uh, nephew Chapo.

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And you he's like a couple of years younger than him.

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Uh, his, uh, uncle Chapo, Sr.

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And, uh, Eddie was also known around the world, but Chris really gained

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his biggest popularity when he went to Japan and wrestled as the

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Pegasus kid and Japanese wrestling is known for its more realistic style.

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It is hard-hitting, uh, they don't pull the punches per se.

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The, uh, the hits on the mat are brutal.

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The kicks are real.

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The holds are meant to hurt that choke holds are meant to choke you out.

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Uh, it's called hardstyle and Chris took the.

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To heart and, uh, Russell wrestled hard and he largely mimicked his

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wrestling style after a, another wrestler who he met and idolized in

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Canada, in stampede wrestling, who also went onto the WWF dynamite kid

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who was part of the British bulldogs.

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And one of dynamite kids, signature moves was a top rope diving head butt

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onto a promo opponent laying on the mat.

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And that

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wasn't that like the Jimmy, the snicker?

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No, he did like this flying squirrel kind

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of thing.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure what a flying squirrel is, but he does splash.

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Yes.

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But so imagine instead of a splash and landing on your belly, you are leading

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with your head and you're landing on your.

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So he's why who did that?

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So that's what Crispin law took up after dynamite kid who learned

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that move from Harley race and Harley race was Oop to terrible.

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These are all porn.

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These sound like all porn, but Harley race was a, he was like

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a king of Southern wrestling.

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Literally his, he went by a king Harley race.

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He, uh, you know, he told after he did it for years, he told

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everyone don't ever do it.

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It's gonna mess up your head.

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Then Tom Billington, the dynamite kid started doing it.

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And dynamite told Ben watt don't do this.

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Ben watt did it and made it his signature move.

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It looks as bad as it sounds if not worse.

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Uh, he, his goal was to dive headfirst and tried to connect with the neck

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shoulder head area of his pronoun.

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So, well, Chris was learning the ropes in Canada and Japan, Nancy Benwah.

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His future wife was becoming a staple of Southern wrestling in

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the NWA and Florida championship wrestling your territory song now.

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I think that the last time I watch wrestling, I

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think dusty Rhodes was involved.

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Well, this

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would have been me.

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Rick flares would have been the dusty Rhodes Ric flair time.

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And so this is the mid to late eighties.

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Nancy is getting involved and she joins a stable.

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They're called a group of wrestlers led by Kevin Sullivan and Kevin Sullivan.

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Is this a character?

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He portrays a character.

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Who's a cult leader, devil worshipper and Nancy goes by the name fallen

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angel a as one of Kevin's fault.

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Well quickly life imitates art and Nancy having fallen in love and get married.

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So, uh, now we have Nancy Sullivan and Kevin Sullivan married and they

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go in, go from Florida championship wrestling to Georgia wrestling, which

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would become the WCW world championship.

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In the nineties, Crispin walking back from Japan, and then he signed a long-term

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contract with WCW in 1995, as a premier featured wrestler at this time, WCW

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was famous for, they had whole Cogan.

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They had macho man, Randy Savage soon, the, a NWI was going to be famous.

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And you had guys like Crispin woah and Eddie Guerrero that were very small.

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They're under six foot they're, uh, they first were considered cruiser weights,

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which are guys I don't, I don't know what the standard is, but like under

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220 pounds or something like that, small guys, I said a cruiser, like, what is it

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referring to a little guy, little guy.

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Yeah.

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I think it's a backtick I think it's a boxing term also.

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I think, I know, I know there's I know there's a UFC division

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called cruiserweight also.

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Uh, but essentially Eddie and, and Chris were, uh, were premiere cruiser weights.

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They knew each other from working with each other previously and they

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found a lot of frustration because they routinely would steal the show by

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putting on the best performance, but were never considered top caliber guys.

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So later in the nineties, Kevin Sullivan became head Booker.

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Remember, Kevin is married to Nancy and head Booker means he essentially

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decides the creative for the show and decides to write a storyline where

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his real life wife Nancy gets into a relationship with Chris and the storyline.

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Is that Kevin B.

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Living up to his psychotic kind of Satanist type character

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is too much for Nancy.

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And so she seeks the consultation or support or whatever.

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Yeah.

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That's what

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she's looking for.

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His consultation.

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I'm sure he has a big consultation.

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Hey, quick, wait.

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So back up, hold on a

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second.

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Kevin Sullivan was here, wrestler.

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He was a wrestler, but he was also like a behind the scenes guy.

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I feel like he was like, from that Sullivan, wasn't there like

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a Sullivan family that was like Gordy.

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No, that was Gordon soul.

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Was it Gordon Sullivan?

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That was

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Gordon.

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There was an announcer.

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Right.

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So

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right.

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Sorry.

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Okay.

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Got it.

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That's the guy.

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I remember the little coma where he was so cute.

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My dad loved that guy.

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He had like these big glasses

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and

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he was always standing between these wrestlers who were spitting

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all over him.

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He had such a distinct.

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Yeah, I liked that guy.

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Uh, so, uh, all right.

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Sorry.

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I digress.

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So, so Kevin writes this narrative of Nancy and Chris are starting to

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have a, an on-screen relationship because, uh, Kevin is on a line

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and Nancy can't take it anymore.

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And they start to shoot these vignettes where, um, you know, Nancy is starting

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to fall for Chris at the same time.

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Chris is going through a divorce of his own will when she know it, lo and behold,

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Life imitates art and they're spending so much on screen-time together that

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they develop a relationship off screen.

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And, uh, ultimately Nancy leaves heaven for Chris and this, uh, As oftentimes does

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in wrestling when real life of interacts with wrestling, it bleeds onto the screen.

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And so Chris and Kevin have this like blow off, aha, no holds barred,

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violent match to, uh, end it all.

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And I don't think it was explicit, but you know, the, the idea

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of being winner gets Nancy.

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Now Kevin Sullivan would go on to say, at this point there

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was actually no hard feelings.

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That was all character because he and Nancy had been separated for eight months.

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Anyway, there are others that argue this and say, no, in fact,

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Nancy's sister is one of them all.

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Nancy's sister was at a show one night, but Nancy was not.

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And Kevin and Chris got into a real life backstage fight and Kevin

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was asking her to ride with him.

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Chris said, no, come with me.

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And, uh, Nancy was on the phone, told her sister no, get in the

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car with Chris at the time.

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Nancy was so married with Kevin.

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Chris took Nancy sister to see Nancy and Nancy was battered and bruised,

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and she claims that it was from Kevin abusing her Kevin denies these

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allegations for what it's worth there.

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You have it with the, uh, the start.

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The tumultuous start of the Crispin wall.

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Nancy Sullivan relationship Nancy gets pregnant, has a son.

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They got married.

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Their son was the best man.

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They're living a happy life, but Chris is still frustrated with his position in WCW.

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And Kevin Sullivan now is kind of running WCW.

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And Kevin sees Chris as his top guy to lead WCW into the future.

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So decides to make him their world champion.

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And Chris wins the world title and quits in the same night and takes Nancy

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with him along with his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, and two other guys

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named Perry, Saturn and Dean Malone.

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And they show up the next night on number one, competitor WWF as the radicals.

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And now this is the next big moment in Crispin was life.

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He is promised a lot of success in WWF.

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Uh, he is seen as the, a plus player in the group of four and he is excited and

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proud to be, uh, to be beyond WCW and beyond the confines of Kevin Sullivan.

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So at this point, WWF is still, still favoring.

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The big hulking dyes that you always saw in eighties and

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nineties wrestling and well, Chris.

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Any standard had an impressive physique.

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He still was a short guy and couldn't stand up to the real big top strong guys.

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So like many wrestlers do it is highly suggested that Chris started on steroids.

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And if he didn't start on them, he was continuing on them.

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Despite the quote unquote ban on the use of steroids, he would have a, a, a

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pretty successful run in WWF over the course of the first few years he was in

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what would be considered the mid card.

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He was not a, a top guy, but he was still a successful, uh, he fought through a

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lot of injuries because he fought through the injuries and didn't take the time

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off like you should have he developed.

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A pain killer habit.

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Then in 2005 a night, that probably was the linchpin point for Crispin

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was before he took his family's life.

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Eddie Guerrero, his best friend for the last 10 years was found

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dead in a hotel room by Eddie's nephew Chapo, Chris was destroyed.

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He became a, a different person.

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He would go to work.

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He did his business and left.

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There was no friendly interaction.

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There was no, uh, the, the personality, if not the person in Crispin wall

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was gone, he was destroyed because a year and a half before Eddie's death,

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Chris and Eddie shared the spotlight.

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With confetti falling down at the, uh, pinnacle moment of WrestleMania 20.

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And that's a moment that the two of them always fought to achieve, and they were

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able to share the spotlight at the end of the night together in Madison square

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garden, which is considered the, uh, the greatest venue in sports, indoor sports.

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I guess you could say it's worth noting.

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Eddie was 38 at the time of his death.

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His official cause of death was, uh, a cardiac arrhythmia leading to arrest.

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He was clean.

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He did not have drugs in his system, but he had a long storied use of drug

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use that is believed to have led to the.

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Essentially overworking of his heart and his, even though he was clean at the

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time, his heart couldn't take it anymore.

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So in the immediate aftermath of Eddie's death, Eddie's wife,

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Vicky Guerrero was inconsolable.

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And knowing that Eddie and Chris were so close, Nancy spent a week at the

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Guerrero's house, helping the kids, helping Vicky and getting, essentially

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getting the family back to normal.

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And while she was doing that, no one was there to support Chris.

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And so Chris went into a tremendous, terrible deep depression at one point,

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Nancy filed for a restraining order and filed for divorce called Vicky for hell

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Vicki, called a neighbor to step in.

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And the neighbor stepped in Chris and Nancy.

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Pretended to be amicable.

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And within 48 hours of filing for a restraining order, the

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divorce was called off and Chris and Nancy were back together.

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Also during this time, Nancy and Vicki got together and thought as a

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way of trying to help Chris get by this, get through the death of Eddie.

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They will give him a journal.

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And Chris wrote letters to Eddie in his journal.

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So in June of 2007, crisp.

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His personality was continuing to deteriorate.

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Uh, he had never fully gotten over the death of Eddie.

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He had, he was continuing to struggle and he was put in this tournament to

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compete for the vacated ECW championship.

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He was in the finals against the Dressler known as cm, punk, and they were going

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to wrestle Sunday, June 24th, 2007 at the pay-per-view called vengeance.

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The way the story goes is on June 22nd, Friday, Chris and Nancy

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Benwah were outside by their pool and they had an argument and Chris

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was never someone who drank and.

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Did drugs after the death of Eddie grill, he became a drinker, not what you might

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consider a heavy drinker, but enough that it was uncharacteristic for Chris.

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So on the night of the 22nd of June, both Chris and Nancy had been drinking,

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it is suggested that they had an argument, a half drank a bottle of

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wine, which really isn't that much was not, not at all, not in my house.

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I mean, yeah, it's really not that much.

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So, you know, maybe, maybe there was more that.

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Thrown away or something, but it was found outside and it is suggested

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based on the evidence that would be found later that Chris tied Nancy's

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arm, her wrists and ankles behind her, carried her to their bedroom.

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Nilda on her back, strangled her and Chris's signature finishing move was

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called the crippler cross face where he would wrench someone's neck back

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until they tapped out or submitted.

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So it's not that he did that move to her, but what he did is he took ligature,

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yanked it around her neck, pulled it so hard that the pressure between

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the, uh, ligature on her neck and his knees on her back called her, caused

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her back to break and she suffered.

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What the fuck.

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Why did he wait, hold on.

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So

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he pretty much talked tighter.

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That's pretty much right.

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I mean, well not, he did not hear wrists and ankles together, but tied, tied her

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wrists together and her ankles together.

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Oh yeah.

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Okay.

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Got it.

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Behind her.

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She couldn't, she couldn't fight back.

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Why did he do

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that?

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Why?

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Because she's so she couldn't defend herself.

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I mean, not that he needed to know, but I mean, why in general, why did he kill her?

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We'll get to that.

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Get to that.

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So that was on Friday night on Saturday, Chris was supposed to go

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to what's known as a house show, uh, which is a wrestling show.

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It's not televised.

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It's usually in front of a smaller crowd and he called Chavo Eddie's

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cousin, Eddie's nephew, excuse me, and said, Hey, I'm not going to make.

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Nancy and Daniel have food poisoning and I'm in the hospital with them.

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Nancy's throwing up blood.

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I can't make it tonight, but I'll make it to Houston for the pay-per-view tomorrow.

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Okay, cool.

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Take care of your family.

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You know, we'll deal with it then early in the morning on a Sunday, the

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24th as well as a WWE referee, Brad Armstrong get very strange text messages.

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They are identical and they say, this is my address.

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The dogs are out by the pool.

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The gate is open from Chris.

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Who did they wait?

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Who got the Javo Guerrero at east nephew?

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And Brad Armstrong, a WWE referee.

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Oh, I know that name.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Brad

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Armstrong.

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I know.

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I mean my limited knowledge of wrestling.

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Uh, okay.

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So

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what happens?

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Uh, Chapo didn't think it thought it was weird, but didn't think much of it.

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He essentially replied to the text message and thought, okay.

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You know, I'll pick you up at the airport in a few hours.

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Cause he was expected to pick him up at the Houston airport for the event

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that night we never heard from Korea.

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Chris Don never confirmed his flight.

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And so throughout the day, everyone started wondering

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where Chris is, where Chris is.

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Uh, someone said that they had a, another conversation that Chris said that, uh, now

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his son was vomiting blood and in the ER, which is actually contradictory, he said

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the day before that Nancy was vomiting blood and in the ER and Chris was with

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them, but he'll catch a later flight.

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So don't worry about it.

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Well, they still couldn't get ahold of him.

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It was getting close to the start of the show.

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And so someone from WWE security called the local police, uh, in Chris's hometown

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and said, can you go to a welfare check?

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It's from one of our wrestlers, Chris Benwah, the police gets.

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They don't know what they're going to see.

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The dogs are out just like the text messages said, and

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the dogs are, uh, curtailed.

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They're fine.

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And, uh, you know, move to the side officers, get in the house

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and they find Nancy's body face down in the bed, tie it up.

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Like we discussed with a Bible next to her.

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Now Chris was never one to, he was never a religious guy, but any turned

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to religion after he started to get clean and he started to get his best

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friend, Chris involved in religion.

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Chris was never, still, never followed it, but started to read

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some passages and start to find his way through Christianity.

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I guess you could say, Hmm.

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The police then continue their way through the house.

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And they come to Daniel's bedroom.

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Daniel, seven years old.

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He is face down in a pillow, under a pillow on his bed dead.

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Now, strangely there's also a knife next to Daniel's bed, but there is no evidence

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that the knife was used against Daniel.

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So now there's obviously a double murder and they still have not

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found the person that they were sent to try and find in the house.

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Chris.

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So now they're concerned that they have a violent person possibly still

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in the house and they draw their guns and they start looking for him.

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So they look throughout the house, they go down to the basement where

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Chris has a gym, a home gym, and they see Crispin tie tied up around.

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With Jim chord and hanging from the top of a gym unit that is being supported

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or pulled down by excessive weights.

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Uh, so he snapped his neck and killed himself.

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The, uh, the WWE superstars were con in formed of the, the, uh, Vince the

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findings, I guess you could say, just before that show went on the air.

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I don't know how they went through with the show, but they did the next day.

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And investigation continues that night.

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Now Monday night, June 25th, WWE goes on the air with a tribute show to

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Crispin wall because at this point, Say that they have been informed that

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the three of them have died, but they have not been told holiday have died.

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Now, this is obviously it's a, it's a point of controversy because

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this is more than 24 hours later.

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And it's pretty amazing that the police would not have reported their findings

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26 hours earlier or whatever it was.

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So WWE goes on the air with a tribute show.

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You've got all sorts of superstars crying, talking about how great he was.

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They show his best moments as a wrestler.

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It's a, it's a really great, beautiful show.

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WWE claims that two hours into the three-hour show is about when they found

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out the true matters of the, the events of the death that Chris actually was

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responsible for killing his wife and child, and then taking his own life.

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Wait,

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hold on a second.

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What so ho how he may not know that and why didn't they check into it before they,

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I mean, what he was, he killed himself.

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Two people died that couldn't have killed themselves.

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He was the only likely suspect.

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How did they not know that before they did some kind

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of like the thoughts was carbon monoxide poisoning because

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they hadn't, they claim, and this is supported by a lot of people.

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They thought that it could have been carbon monoxide poisoning or some

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sort of freak accident that killed all three of them that they didn't know,

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her hands were tied

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and her feet, they didn't have that information yet.

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Oh my God.

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Now what the, what a mess there.

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Well, what happened?

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So what happened?

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They halfway through, what did they, did they stop?

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Did they, we

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finished the show.

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Um, now you might be familiar with a wrestler named Chris Jericho.

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He's a pretty famous guy.

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I guess maybe not.

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Okay.

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Uh, no.

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Well, he says he was watching that show.

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I don't know if he was, I don't know if it was with WWE at the time or not,

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but he said he was watching that show and he said that he has a hard time

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believing that WWE didn't know because during one of their, like, what are

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the wrestler videos paying tribute?

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There was almost like a, a cryptic message.

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That pretty much, it was something like, I used to think that I would never

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trust anyone else more with my family.

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And he just thought that is a really strange thing for someone

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to say what, who said that, uh, it, I'm not cording that exactly.

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But, uh, another wrestler by the name of, I think you get

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went by William Regal at the.

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And why would he say something like that?

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Was he saying it about, about crisp Anwar or was he just

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saying it in general saying it about Crispin and water?

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So that's the question.

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Why would he phrase it in such a weird way?

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Chris Jericho feels like some people knew something and they just weren't saying it.

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So WWE goes off year.

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The news starts to flood with the facts of what actually happened the next night.

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They have another show and WWE chairman, Vince McMahon, who ran the previous show

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starts the show saying we did what we thought was the right thing to do since

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that time new evidence has come to light.

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This is the last you will hear.

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Crispin was named mentioned on this program.

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And Crispin was name has never been mentioned on WWE Everest.

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But don't you think that's, I mean, I'm, I think that's,

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I don't know, I guess the right thing to do, but I mean, think about the

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underlying reasons behind his behavior, which is probably that, you know,

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prefrontal lobe damage from wrestling.

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And then I, I mean, we all know the Vince of men is an opportunist.

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So any time that he can overdraw drum dramatize something

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to his benefit, he does.

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So making a statement like that, I mean, he didn't have a choice,

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but I mean, yes, I feel like that that in and of itself was an act.

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I agree with whoever said that they knew,

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um, I, I, I don't disagree with you.

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The Vincent man is an opportunist, but I think when you're talking about

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a murder, that's a different thing.

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That's a different level.

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When you're talking about events happening in the world, in the media, Even your

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own people that can kind of be written off as a period in life or something.

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Yes, he's absolutely an opportunist, but now it's talking about getting

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involved in a murder investigation and I think that's, I personally, that's

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my opinion of the difference, I,

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I guess, but how was he getting involved in a murder?

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I mean, how, I mean, sure.

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They reported too quickly without getting their facts straight, but

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I'm not sure that that meant that they participated in any way in the

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murders.

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No, no, no.

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I agree.

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But I think that they wanted to do everything that they could to

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distance themselves from Chris.

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He, he was completely removed.

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Now.

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You, they, you can.

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You can look all over WWE.

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You will not find his name anywhere like his wrestling matches.

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You can still find on their streaming network, but if you

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search for Crispin wall on the streaming network, it comes up empty.

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It's only if you know where to look, will you be able to find them because

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they're part of a larger program.

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Uh, but more importantly, let's talk about exactly what you just said.

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That pre frontal lobe damage due to the activity, the profession,

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the livelihood that he was in.

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And let's talk about that diving head, but that he did thousands.

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Upon thousands of times, there was one wrestler whose name is Chris Nowinski,

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who retired from wrestling to get into neuroscience after he had six concussions.

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And he asked Chris at one point in his career, how many

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concussions have you had increases?

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I can't even tell, I can't count how many.

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So there is no doubt that he had tremendous brain damage so much so that

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his brain was autopsied afterwards.

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It had severe CTE, which we all know is what's found largely

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in a lot of NFL players now.

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And it's actually suggested that the rate of CTE and early death of wrestlers could

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be doubled that of NFL players suggested I have heard that said I don't have

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the confirmed science to back that up.

Brittney Sherman: 00:38:55

So I want to emphasize that.

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But this is a surprise me because they don't have any gear on

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that's protecting them and they bang each other on the head with folding

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chairs.

Brittney Sherman: 00:39:02

That's exactly right.

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And after that and after me, so after Crispin Wawa, they outlawed

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exactly the act that you just said, bang each other on the head.

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I swear.

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Absolutely.

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They definitely did.

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They, uh, they got rid of like allowing that diving head butt or allowing

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that head first type of contact.

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They had a drug policy previously and after Crispin law, they

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strongly started to inform.

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And in addition to the CTE, Chris had a, uh, a posthumous blood tests done

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to check for drugs in his system.

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He had some alcoholic system because there were half drank, bottled wine found all

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around the house, not just by the pool where Nancy was probably killed or at

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the very least tied up, but no illegal drugs, no real prescription drugs, no

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steroids, but he had 10 times the normal amount of testosterone in his body.

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And if you listen to a WWE attorney, he will tell you that that's not uncommon

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for someone getting over steroids is usage because steroids decrease the

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amount of testosterone in your body.

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And when you stop using the steroids, you need to replenish your loss to stop.

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Others will tell you that is a way to get around using steroids by

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increasing your testosterone levels.

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Huh?

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Interesting.

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All right.

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The way the services of Nancy and Daniel were attended only by one WWE participant

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Jim Ross, who was a talent relations guy and onscreen play by play guy.

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He was asked to leave.

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Crispin wa had a private service only with his surviving son, David from a previous

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marriage and Chris, his ex wife, uh, an immediate family in the time after the

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murders, that diary that he was given.

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So he.

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Right to Eddie was found and read, and it had some very telling signs in there.

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And it would almost read like someone whose mental capacity

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and sanity was deteriorating.

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Even as much saying, as I know, I'll be seeing you soon,

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I'm coming to be with you.

Brittney Sherman: 00:41:42

So he said,

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so you feel like that he, he obviously had this planned?

Brittney Sherman: 00:41:47

Yes, absolutely.

Brittney Sherman: 00:41:48

This was not

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high.

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The why?

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Like how do you have it planned and then kill your wife and your son too?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:41:54

Well, like why?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:41:55

Because that seems like to me that was something, I mean, maybe it was planned,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:42:00

but like why, you know, kill yourself.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:02

Why kill them?

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:03

Well, a hundred percent.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:04

Exactly.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:05

So he, uh, not only did he have terrible CTE, he had the brain

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:10

of an 85 year old Alzheimer's.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:13

So he clearly was not in the right mental capacity.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:17

He leading up to that time in the 18 months between Eddie's and Chris's death.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:24

Chris was exhibiting more violent behavior, more erratic behavior.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:29

He wasn't himself, whether or not he intended to take that action.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:34

The weekend of June 22nd to the 24th, or it was something that snapped in him

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:42

that weekend that led him to choose.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:43

Then maybe he was planning on just killing himself.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:47

Maybe he had some sort of demons talking to him in his diseased brain.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:53

We'll never know exactly what caused it.

Brittney Sherman: 00:42:56

It was a hideous, disgusting murder.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:00

And.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:02

Changed wrestling forever.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:04

Um, as I said, there are no more chair shots to the head.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:08

There are no more what are called pile drivers, where you throw a

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:13

guy straight down on his head.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:14

There's no more diving headbutts or leading with your head.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:18

There are stricter drug policies, but regardless three people, two completely

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:24

innocently, including a seven year old boy lost their life due to what many people

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:31

will argue was negligence in the way that a business worked for generations.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:37

And the only way that Chris felt like he could succeed.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:43:41

I mean, don't you think that still exists in

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:43:43

the world of wrestling though?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:43:44

I think it

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:44

definitely does.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:45

I think that there are other wrestling companies out there.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:50

Absolutely.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:51

That still do it.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:52

I think that.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:55

I think that WWE tries to do the right thing.

Brittney Sherman: 00:43:58

I think that they say the right things, but whether or not they're

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:01

actually doing the right things, it's hard to tell here, I'm going to

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:44:05

ask you this.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:44:06

What do you, what do you think about Vince McMahon as a

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:08

person?

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:09

Uh, as a, as an individual person or as a businessman, those are,

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:15

they are, that's why I'm asking.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:17

Um, it's hard to say because they're different, but they're also kind of the

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:23

same because he's business as business ethics drive his personal ethics.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:29

And if it's right for his business, it will compromise his personal ethics.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:35

But I think it's sort of verse

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:44:38

two, I think more so your bill, your personal

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:44:40

ethics should drive your business.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:44:41

They should, but I don't think they shouldn't

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:43

change because their money, I agree.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:45

They shouldn't change because of money.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:47

But I think with a lot of shrewd businessmen, and I'm not saying that

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:50

in women, and I'm not saying this.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:54

To protect them or support them.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:56

I don't think that's the way that it works.

Brittney Sherman: 00:44:59

Uh, you mean hit for him or him.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:01

And I think a lot of people, I don't think he's unique in that situation.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:05

I think there are a lot of business people that operate that way.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:09

I guess I would just say that in his business, he's in the

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:14

business of exploitation of people.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:17

And so I guess maybe by nature, that is the case.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:22

I mean, it's, uh, he, he at times will exploit his himself to help prophets.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:29

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:30

I was just going to say, it's, it's his people, but he'll do it himself too.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:33

He will put himself out there for better or worse.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:36

Yeah.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:37

He's very much, uh, um, uh, you know, he's, he's

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:40

very visible in that industry.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:42

Um, and as part of what he does, I mean, he's, he's one of the characters.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:46

He is a character.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:47

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:47

He, uh, he was one of their biggest characters for a few years.

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:52

That's

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:52

crazy.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:52

That's so sad.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:53

I don't understand why you would, what was, so go back.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:56

How the boy was seven.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:45:59

How did he

Brittney Sherman: 00:45:59

die?

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:00

Uh, the, he was, oh, good question.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:03

Uh, he was heavily drugged with Zabbix and suffocated most likely with a pillow.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:11

Oh,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:12

really?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:13

Yes.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:14

So he had the die at the hands of his

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:16

father?

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:17

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:17

No.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:18

And that's the thing.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:19

So Nancy was killed on Friday night.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:22

Daniel is most, most likely killed on Saturday morning.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:28

And Chris stayed in the house until probably mid morning,

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:35

Sunday until he killed himself.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:39

That's crazy.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:40

So what the heck was he?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:41

I mean, he must've been in some kind of state of mind.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:46:44

Can you imagine what he was like walking

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:46

around his house?

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:47

He exactly.

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:48

I, uh, I just, I can't, I mean, I can only imagine some sort of psychosis, like

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:53

I CA I can't imagine any other way that you could be, and he's, you know, leaving

Brittney Sherman: 00:46:57

voicemails and, and sending text messages, but, you know, he, even, he even talked on

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:05

the phone though, to a couple of people.

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:07

I, you know, they, they, they claim that he sounded like he was in distress.

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:11

Like you was, you know, disturbed, but I just, I can't, I can't imagine what

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:19

the, for over 24 hours, he walked around the house with his dead wife and son.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:29

Yeah.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:30

I mean, what happened?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:31

I mean, he killed his wife, obviously.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:34

And then what on Friday night?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:36

And then he probably realized that by Saturday morning, his son would find

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:47:41

out that his wife was no longer living and he didn't really have a choice.

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:47

So.

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:49

He probably felt like my son's going to find out.

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:51

And I either turned myself in and he probably wasn't the right state

Brittney Sherman: 00:47:54

of mind and did what he, the worst possible took the worst possible route.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:00

Um, it's just, it's, it's so sad.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:05

And you want to, you know, you want to talk about Vince McMahon

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:07

and, and how he exploits them.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:11

Chris had an older son, David from, from a previous marriage,

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:14

as I mentioned, WWE did not once reach out to David to support him.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:22

They did not reach out to Nancy's family to support them.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:27

And it wasn't until last year, 2000, 19, 12 years after the horrific

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:36

events that David and Nancy.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:42

Got together again for the very first time.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:44

And that was at the behest of Chris Jericho who arranged for the two

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:49

of them to meet and get together.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:48:53

That's terrible.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:48:54

That is a horrible story.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:48:56

No,

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:56

it's thank you, Brittany.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:57

I'm sorry.

Brittney Sherman: 00:48:58

I brought you down, but you brought me down.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:00

It's

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:00

okay.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:02

Yeah, no, I pay it's.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:04

No, I know.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:04

I mean, it's hard to talk about these subjects are

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:07

lighthearted.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:08

No, they're not at all.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:09

It's it's really tragic, uh, you know, to, to cover my sources.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:14

Um, vice TV day, a a docu series called the dark side of the ring and they did

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:22

a two-part episode specific to Crispin wall, the, uh, the podcast, something

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:28

to wrestle with Bruce Prichard, a sports illustrated article, like a pedia.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:34

Um, there's I, uh, What's happened in 2007.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:39

So I've read a lot and watched a lot since that time.

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:41

But these are the ones that I particularly recently focused on that that kind of

Brittney Sherman: 00:49:45

gave me the most fresh information.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:48

Do you feel, do you guys, do you feel like that?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:50

Um, I mean, I'd like to think that the WWE, as well as the NFL

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:54

is taking, you know, head trauma seriously, um, you feel like, cause

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:49:59

you still watch wrestling, I think.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:50:00

Do you feel like that there's some progress there?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:50:02

I mean, cause they don't wear any protection.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:04

Just like I said, you know, they got rid of

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:06

chair shots, they got rid of a head to head or head first impact.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:12

They, I think have gotten rid of blood or intentional bleeding sometimes

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:19

that happens just on accident.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:20

But most of the times when we see blood in wrestling, it's intentional.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:24

Uh, so I think that's out loud.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:26

So I think they are taking those.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:28

I think they are taking them seriously.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:30

Uh, their, their drug policy has gotten much more stringent

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:34

and most of these things are a direct result of crisp and law.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:40

And they might not tell you that it was direct.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:43

They might tell you that it was, those were policies that were in

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:46

place, but they were just very lax and became more stringent, but most

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:50

people will tell you it's directly because of the Crispin wall murders.

Brittney Sherman: 00:50:57

Hmm.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:50:57

So back to the drugs.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:00

Do, do you mean like illegal drugs or?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:03

Well, I mean, I guess I could still be steroids.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:05

What kind of drugs are they testing for?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:07

What?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:08

I mean, I would say that most of those folks should probably be smoking

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:11

marijuana because they're probably like what, what kind of drugs are you?

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:15

Are, is there, are there specific or just time.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:18

I don't know, I don't, I haven't read their drug policy.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:23

I don't even know if it's available to be read, but if you hear people

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:27

talk about it, it's pretty stringent.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:28

Marijuana is on that list.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:30

Steroids are definitely on that list.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:33

Uh, anything that could be even considered a slight performance enhancing

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:39

drug or illegal drug, uh, cocaine, I think painkillers are all allowed,

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:46

assuming that they're prescribed.

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:48

I would hope to God that they're allowed because the amount of damage those bodies

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:51

go through, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be allowed, but I have really no

Brittney Sherman: 00:51:55

idea, but I've heard it's very stringent.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:51:58

That's crazy about pot because,

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:00

well, but hang on a second, but also hanging

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:03

out in the second they are.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:06

I think they're incorporated, I think in Connecticut, that's where

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:10

their headquarters are, but they.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:15

A national and even global company.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:18

So they're on the road except for right now all the time.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:23

So you're going potentially from one state to the next to the next night, after night

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:26

after night, it pot's legal in one state.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:29

It's illegal the next day.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:30

You kind of have to have a knock across the board policy.

Brittney Sherman: 00:52:34

I would think.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:36

Yeah, I guess I just think it's kind of silly.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:38

I mean, and by the way, anybody who says that pod is a performance enhancing

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:43

drug has, cause it's not enhancing when Michael Phelps got in trouble for pot.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:49

I was like, this is like, It did not.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:53

I mean, seriously, like you, he would be so much faster if

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:56

he smoked or he didn't smoke.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:52:58

So God bless him, you know, like actually maybe gave those

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:01

other guys a fighting chance.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:03

I mean, I think it's just silly.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:04

Um, I think that there's something about the NFL policy that's changing

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:08

now and being able to use cannabis, or maybe they're using CBD.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:11

Something has to change.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:12

I mean, these guys, well, I think CBD is talking about

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:15

getting hooked on narcotics.

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:17

Well, CBD is legal in the entire country, but there are going to be

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:23

a lot of people that are going to tell you that CBD and other narcotics

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:26

are not on the same playing field.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:29

They aren't CBD.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:30

Doesn't have any kind of hallucinogenic qualities at all.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:33

It's

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:33

really just CBD also.

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:35

So does not provide largely the same relief.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:40

Oh, are you saying that it does?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:42

Uh, well maybe, I guess you mean, you're saying that CBD doesn't

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:53:45

provide the same relief that

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:47

TB, the THC does?

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:48

No, I'm saying CBD doesn't from a pain standpoint, no pain.

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:52

Um, THC doesn't touch pain.

Brittney Sherman: 00:53:54

I'm saying THC doesn't touch pain at the level that an oxycodone does.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:00

No, of course.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:01

Oh my God, that you can't, you can't say that you can take

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:06

CBD over other prescription narcotics.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:10

They're not the same.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:11

They don't do the same thing.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:13

No, no, no.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:14

I would agree with you.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:15

I mean, certainly beyond a certain point CBD or THC is not going to help.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:20

Yeah, yeah, no it's but if it can, I mean, if it can help a bit, I would say, you

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:25

know, I mean, I considered marijuana to be effective for pain between anything

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:32

more than a Tylenol can take care of, but less than like, you know, a Vicodin, like

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:38

there's like a tiny little sweet spot where it's like, just enough, think if

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:41

you get a strong enough.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:42

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:42

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:42

I think that's probably true.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:44

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:44

If you get a strong enough, you know,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:46

Yeah.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:54:47

I mean, some of that stuff is pretty, pretty hard, but it's

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:49

true.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:51

So, uh, well that was very interesting little conspiracy theory to wrap this up.

Brittney Sherman: 00:54:57

Oh, as you were talking about is how is it possible that the WWE didn't

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:01

know about these events beforehand the night between Daniel's murder and

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:10

Chris's suicide Wikipedia reported that Crispin wall was going to be replaced

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:18

in his championship match with John Morrison because of an illness in the

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:24

family that hadn't been reported yet.

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:28

Also that night, that post was deleted by Wikipedia and then a, another post came

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:36

up, reporting the deaths of his family.

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:41

That first post came from.

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:44

Stanford Connecticut.

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:46

The home of the WWE headquarters.

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:49

The second post came from somewhere in Australia, both posts were flagged and

Brittney Sherman: 00:55:55

deleted by Wikipedia for not meeting their standards of qualification.

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:02

Of course, there's a question of how did those posts ever make it up

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:05

there and you can still see them?

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:07

I think because, uh, you can do like a historical edit or historical read

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:13

or something of Wikipedia posts.

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:17

Hmm.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:19

I mean, I, I would not be surprised at the

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:21

WWE new it's.

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:23

Um, you know, it's hard to imagine that they didn't know if they knew some it's

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:31

hard to imagine that they would move forward with a tribute show if they did.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:35

I know, think about what that meant, you know, think

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:38

about, think about their priorities.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:40

And, but I mean, here, what I don't understand is how would they not know?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:44

They knew that he hung himself.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:46

They, they claim that he knew the other two knew that they knew that

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:49

other two other people died in the house, unless someone else came in

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:53

and killed those other two people.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:55

I mean, crystal, you know what I mean?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:56:56

Like,

Brittney Sherman: 00:56:56

I don't know that they, they claim they did not know

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:00

that he hung himself and it's possible that it was a triple homicide.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:07

Oh, Hmm.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:08

Interesting.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:10

I'm going to go read Wikipedia right now.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:14

All right.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:14

Interesting.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:15

That was a good one.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:15

Britain is tragic story of the murders of Nancy and Daniel

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:22

Benwah and the suicide of Crispin wall.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:27

Hmm.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:28

That

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:28

was sad.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:29

But I'm planning.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:30

I got you.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:31

One that you are not familiar with.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:35

I knew a little bit about it, but I didn't

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:37

follow wrestling that much.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:38

Um, but I mean, I knew it was a sad situation.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:42

I didn't know the extent, um, about, you know, the conditions of his wife and

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:47

then his little boy, that's just really

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:48

sad.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:49

It's horrible.

Brittney Sherman: 00:57:50

And

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:51

I mean, I think that what you said too, you know, back

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:54

to the, the brain damage, um, you know, we have to take that seriously

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:57:58

and I'm glad that there was evidence showing, you know, that, that there

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:02

was something behind his actions.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:04

Absolutely.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:05

I agree.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:06

We'd love to hear from you guys as well.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:07

You know, if you have suggestions or you want to hear us talk about certain things,

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:11

feel free to share.

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:12

You know, some of the things that we find particularly important is to support other

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:17

independent podcasters and in a way to branch out and connect with others and

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:24

support the independent podcast community.

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:26

Uh, we have a couple, uh, little shout outs that we want to provide.

Brittney Sherman: 00:58:32

So I have a couple

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:33

of shout outs that I would love to do some

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:35

folks that I've worked with in the past and had communication with.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:38

And I find quite lovely.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:58:40

Um, the first would be, um, music city, 9 1, 1 Brandon Hall.

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You guys should take a listen.

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I, um, I he's a 9 1, 1 dispatcher from Nashville, Tennessee, very entertaining.

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I love his approach and I cannot stop listening to his voice.

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And the other podcast that I'd like to give a shout out to his meanwhile at the

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studio, it's going guys in my hometown, you know, who created a podcast, um,

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environment in a recording studio there.

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And, um, they're doing really great.

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So I did some, I sat in with them a couple of times and we had some fun.

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So please take a listen to their trailer as well.

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Meanwhile, at the station.

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Check out a couple other podcasters that support us and

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we want to give them some support.

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Hey fellow Scarlet, true crime listeners.

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I'm CC the host of a new true crime podcast, sooner state, true crime as

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a born and bred Oki I'll cover cases based in my wonderful home state of

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Oklahoma, the term sooner actually refers to cheaters in the land run.

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My state's very first true crime.

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New episodes are released twice a month in apple podcasts and most

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podcasts ups or visit our website, anchor.fm/crime state to listen now.

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So come away with me to my crime state on the sooner state true crime podcast,

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and please stay sooner safe out there.

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Y'all

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hi everyone.

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I'm Ariel Cooksey host of now.

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When violent acts occur, we tend to think the predators are monsters,

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Charlene or human could do such things.

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But if we're honest, only humans commit malicious crime.

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And if you're like me, you want to know why to find out, join me at malice,

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wherever you listen to podcasts by.

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Hey, y'all I'm Brandon Hall.

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I'm one of the hosts of music city, nine 11, a podcast about the good,

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the bad, and the dark side of nine 11.

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Dispatching me and my co-hosts are 9 1 1 dispatchers.

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With over 60 years of experience.

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Join us as we play 9 1 1 calls and discuss them.

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Oh, did I mention that we get.

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9 1 1, what's your emergency

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You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at music city

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nominal one, and we're downloadable on every podcast platform.

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We want to give a shout out to the pod all the time podcast network that we Scarlet

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TCP are proud members of other members

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of the pot, all the time podcast network.

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Creative intuitive, another digital citizen history of a haunting

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round and round the podcast.

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Real AKA truth podcast, ruck up podcast, random unnamed podcast, suburban folk,

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three peas in a podcast, Ross sex podcast.

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I think we're doing it

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podcast.

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Just so if you like what you're hearing from Scarlet TCP, check out

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these other shows that members of the pod all the time podcast network.

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Alrighty, thank you.

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Scarlett autos, stay healthy, stay safe.

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We are the ladies of Scarlet.

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Keep killing it